Writer's Support Room - Open Forum Transcripts

Event start time: Tue Mar 01 14:01:29 2005
Event end time: Tue Mar 01 15:17:46 2005


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mel boring Good afternoon! Welcome to this Tuesday afternoon's "Open Forum" session. I'm your moderator, Mel Boring, and the Web Editor for this site. We're back for an informal time of answering any questions you might like to ask, on any subject. So feel free to ask what's on your mind--and I'll tell you what's on mine! First, please read these announcements, then we'll get started.
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mel boring SORRY to skid in so late--but I had computer problems that popped up right on the hour!...
mel boring I have a plethora (that's your word for THIS Open Forum) of GOOD NEWS today!...
mel boring Leslie Wyatt, a contributor to our ICL Web Site, sent this GOOD NEWS last week: Just wanted to share that my story "Time Capsule" is included in the new edition of Rocking Chair Reader--Treasures from the Attic (An anthology from Adams Media) And by the way, the editor says she's looking for submissions for the next two in the series. Those interested can look up the guidelines at www.rockingchairreader.com
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Leslie!!!...
mel boring Leslie was published on our Web site just last year...
mel boring and not only publishes with US, but with this anthology. WAY TO GO, Leslie!
mel boring WriterX sent this GOOD NEWS last week, but I wasn't able to post it till today: As of February 16, I am an official graduate of the ICL course. I will be receiving my diploma in the next few weeks. For me the most encouraging news was what Paula Morrow (my instructor) wrote in my final letter:
the first three chapters of your book...I was completely pulled into your tale!" To add further, she said, "I would enthusiastically recommend you for ICL's graduate course on book writing...in fact, I'm forwarding a formal recommendation..."
journey has ended...I am looking forward to new beginnings
mel boring HEARTY CONGRATULATIONS, WriterX!!!...
mel boring As a former ICL Instructor, I KNOW what it takes to graduate--LOTS of work. Now we wish you GOOD FORTUNE in your writing!!! And it sounds like you have a BOOK in the works!
mel boring Diana/arnalda sent us this GOOD NEWS last week: I'm so excited...and maybe it's a bit premature...but I just got off the phone with a woman who runs a homeschool catalogue book company. She saw my "Matching Mastery" art game in the latest issue of "Heart and Mind Magazine" and asked if she could publish it
item in their catalogue. She also asked if I could do other art-related work for her. I should be receiving an official proposal soon. Did I mention that I'm so excited?????!!!! :-) I'll keep you posted.

mel boring NOT premature at ALL, Diana/arnalda!...
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS on being hired on the strength of your writing in "Matching Mastery"!!!...
mel boring It OFTEN happens that ONE mag editor will "shop" for writers in OTHER magazines!
mel boring GOOD NEWS from Nancy Walker: Editor Aileen Sox liked my stories previously for PRIMARY TREASURE and OUR LITTLE FRIEND. (I've been published 8 times in these magazines.) So I wrote a new story for her, the first since at least 2 years. And when she accepted it, I, felt super. Now, I haven't had any great news from any other publishers, but I do feel better, and my productivity has increased considerably!
mel boring Nancy is our special writer friend in SWITZERLAND, and she's never able to...
mel boring attend these Open Forums, because they're sleeping in Switzerland right now--or about to!...
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Nancy! Nancy has also published picture books, and is very experienced...
mel boring But you can see how even BOOK writers benefit from magazine publication.
mel boring Lucie Bouchard Antoniazzi, better known to us in the chat room as "peanut," send this GOOD NEWS: I just wanted to tell you that I just got a letter from HIGHLIGHTS FOR
recipe "Soft Banana Cookies." I'm
first sale in the Children's writing market
mel boring Lucie, SPECIAL CONGRATULATIONS!!!...
mel boring For your FIRST children's market sale!!!...
mel boring And HIGHLIGHTS is a MARVELOUS MAGAZINE to make your writing debut in, friend! CONGRATULATIONS from ALL of US!!!
mel boring Rose Ross Zediker has this GOOD NEWS: I have my first acceptance for 2005. It's from Bread For God's Children. They reprinted my story, "Cindy's Choice," in Issue 1 of 2005.
mel boring Rose Ross Zediker has published on our ICL Web site, and we send our WARM CONGRATULATIONS to you, Rose!...
mel boring Reprints are ESPECIALLY SWEET because the manuscript is already basically done...
mel boring Reprints are like FROSTING on the CAKE!
mel boring A couple of items left over from last week:...
mel boring T asked last week, but clarified that GOOD question this week: I know from my ICL course that we're only supposed to send correspondence to publishers by regular mail, not by some special means that might appear amateurish. In this case however, because it was Christmas, AND there was an administrative postal strike here in Canada, the possibility existed that a query sent by regular letter mail would take longer than two weeks to reach CALLIOPE. I didn't want to miss the submission deadline of January 8. Therefore, on December 24, I sent the query by Priority Courier, Canada Post's courier service. It's now the end of February, almost two months later to the day, and I haven't even received my SASP back, indicating they got my documentation? Would CALLIOPE automatically NOT open my submission because it arrived in a courier? If they do open it, will it have earned marks against it because it arrived in such an "amateurish" fashion? There's no way I could have finished the query sooner. My experts didn't get back to me until just before Christmas, and I refused to send the query without knowing that I had expert input. As I see it, I had no choice but to send it the way I did. But will CALLIOPE?
mel boring You may remember that I asked T for clarification on this one last week, as to the meaning of "courier."...
mel boring Now that I see what it means, YES, using a courier service was A-OK, T!...
mel boring A publisher will understand a postal strike, and NOT MIND AT ALL that you used a courier service....
mel boring As to hearing back from them, I see at Calliope's Web site...
mel boring that they say "Unused queries will be returned approximately three to four months prior to publication date."...
mel boring So that MAY be why you haven't heard yet, T....
mel boring You didn't say when the pub date was, but even in USING your manuscript, CALLIOPE might just be LATE, and not let you know till the very last minute. We wish you GOOD FORTUNE with that submission, our Canadian friend!!!
mel boring From last week:...
casey re pictures: I just read Lois Lowry's "The Silent Boy". I wondered if it were true because she has a photo with each chapter. But in her acknowledgements, she admits to searching antique shops and others for photos. What a neat way to write a story.
mel boring Yes, casey, that WAS a NEAT way to write a story!...
mel boring What amazed me was the way Lois used seemingly EVERY DETAIL in those old purchased pictures in her story line!
lizr Thanks for the Clicks and Clacks on Mondays Mel !
mel boring You are WARMLY WELCOME, lizr!...
mel boring and THANKS for letting me know!
mel boring Here were some GOOD responses last week to the "ergonomic" devices we talked about for writers:...
mewf A foot rest is very advisable for the legs and helps to keep
mel boring THANKS, mewf!
mewf the circulation to the feet going better.
mel boring From caq:...
caq My husband's office had some ergonomic experts and they said it takes longer to recoup from carpal tunnel surgery than an amputation, so take care of yourselves.
mel boring From a writer VERY experienced in ergonomic writing devices:...
mbvoelker Before buying a natural keyboard go to an office supply store and try your hands on various models. I have small hands and have found that nothing Microsoft fits but nearly everything Logitech does. IMO its important that your keyboard and mouse fit your hands comfortably.
mel boring THANKS, Mary Beth!
mel boring Here's another good tip from industrious one:...
industrious one Someone mentioned a Natuaral Keyboard for That is way too much!! I worked for a computer company, and we sold them for about half that! Wal-Mart has a good one for about
mel boring So try Wal-Mart first!
mel boring I was the one who mentioned , and the reason is...
mel boring that I ordered my natural keyboard from Microsoft on the Internet, for convenience--but they are always more expensive for most things!
thelpe For a replacement for a mouse (and to eleviate back, arm and neck pain), try www.wacom.com. They make WizardTablets that work wonders.
mel boring THANK YOU, thelpe!
delima-e Does anyone use "pen" names these days
mel boring Yes, delima-e, but usually ONLY if they're writing in...
mel boring different genres. For example, if the same writer writes for children,..
mel boring and also writes steamy adult romances, s/he will likely use a pen name for the romances, so that parents won't say...
mel boring "Hey, I don't want my kids reading children's books written by that steamy romance writer!!!" (-:}
lilysback Does writing a newsletter qualify as previous writing experience?
mel boring YES, you BET, lilysback! It is experience in which you wrote and REwrote, and published!
gracem Please review again when/when not to include a cover letter.
mel boring Let's see:...
mel boring I would NOT include a cover letter if the publisher's listing does NOT mention one,...
mel boring UNLESS I had some expertise in the subject of my story or article....
mel boring Think of the editor's time: They are HURRIED....
mel boring If they don't ASK for a cover letter, it will just be "in the way" of their reading your manuscript....
mel boring Remember, however, that both Heather Delabre and Paula Morrow of the Cricket Group said they LIKE cover letters, so as to get to know their authors.
mel boring caq asks: Can you use a sidebar in fiction to give a brief definition of something

mel boring Yes, you can, caq. Look at THE MAGIC SCHOOLBUS books....
mel boring They incorporate facts, but they are basically VERY fictional stories,...
mel boring about the school bus going to Mars, and so on....
mel boring And if you check out those books, you'll see OODLES of sidebars on every page....
mel boring Kids LOVE sidebars, I think because they can FINISH them quickly and easily, and have a "complete understanding" of one small facet in the sidebar.
mel boring NW needs to know: In the cover letter of my second submission addressed to the same editor, should I include the paragraph with my writing credits? The thing is, I'm not sure if my letter (and story) will be read by the editor to whom I've adressed them. But if it is read by the same editor, and I include this paragraph, I don't want her/him to think that I think she/he has a bad memory, or that I'm being repetetive, thereby wasting her/his precious time!
mel boring Yes, I would ALWAYS include the credit info, NW,...
mel boring BUT you can say something like this if ...
mel boring you think the SAME editor MIGHT read it:...
mel boring "As you may remember, I've been published in..."...
mel boring That will include it if needed, but also let the same editor know that you know you've told her/him already.
mel boring EB has this research question: I would have liked to interview one of NASA's experts about Pluto, but
do they offer research assistance via email. Do you
now, my main sources of information are from
think I need stronger resources? One of the books
the information about Pluto also came from the NASA
be much appreciated, for I am gathering

mel boring Not every expert you use must be "among the top ten," EB....
mel boring So, I would PHONE NASA, explain your project,...
mel boring and ASK them who might be knowledgeable enough for you to interview....
mel boring Here's what I found on a recent book:...
mel boring I had the name of the person who is over ALL medical experiments that take place during space flights....
mel boring I e-mailed him, but he did not respond....
mel boring So I PHONED NASA--and though it meant talking through a gaggle of people--I asked for and GOT TO a person who could help me...
mel boring That person wasn't a BIG NAME in NASA, but WAS very knowledgeable....
mel boring Your BOOK and MAGAZINE sources will be excellent, especially if the publication dates of them are recent, say within the last five years....
mel boring And the info you get from the Web site will be excellent, too....
mel boring You can trust a Web site like NASA's to be factual, dependable, respected by editors. WE WISH YOU A GOOD FLIGHT with your Pluto manuscript!!!
mel boring EB also wants to know about bibliographies: What kind of format exactly are editors looking for? I have all my sources listed, but I am not sure how to format it or what else I should include.
mel boring Here is an EXCELLENT source for bibliographies: ICL's 2005 BOOK MARKETS FOR WRITERS,...
mel boring and 2005 MAGAZINE MARKETS FOR CHILDREN''S WRITERS....
mel boring EACH of those books has SAMPLE bibliographies, for both magazine biblios and book biblios....
mel boring ANYone can buy those two market listings....
mel boring If you go to...
mel boring www.institutechildrenslit.com,...
mel boring and click on BOOKSTORE, you'll find them....
mel boring I'm not here to sell books, but those samples are MARVELOUS....
mel boring Here's a readier answer, EB: You want to list BOOKS, MAGAZINE ARTICLES, PAMPHLETS, WEB SITES, INTERVIEWS, and any other source....
mel boring Basically: Author's name first, followed by the name of the book or title of the article, followed by the publisher, the date, and with magazines, the page numbers.
mel boring MORE GOOD NEWS!!!
dell I have some good news to share, too. My poem "Laundry Time" appears in this month's issue of Babybug. The illustrations are adorable!
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, dell!!!...
mel boring I think you could have NO BETTER byline than in ANY of Paula Morrow's or Heather Delabre's Cricket magazines....
mel boring Paula's BABYBUG and LADYBUG are WELL respected by childhood experts....
mel boring So YOU have MADE THE BIG TIME, dell!!!
mel boring DL wants to know: Can you use brand names for your stories and books? (MCDONALDS, Hershey Bar, etc.)
mel boring SOME you CAN and OTHERS you can't, DL....
mel boring BEST is to write the company and ASK....
mel boring I KNOW you cannot use the DISNEY name....
mel boring But I THINK Hershey's has been known to allow it....
mel boring But WRITE to them, DL, and they'll let you know for sure....
mel boring MANY are PLEASED to get mentioned in our stories and books!
mel boring I received a LOT of answers to what "tintinnabulation" means this week, and I want to share them:...
mel boring From Bernice: "tintinnabulation," means ringing. I play handbells in a choir at Trinity Methodist Church. I wanted to call our group "Trintinnabulation" but was out voted. The rest of the group thought it sounded too much like tinitis, a ringing in the ears. They only wanted peoples' ears to ring while we were playing.
mel boring From arnalda: Whenever this word comes up I "hear" Edgar Allen Poe's bell poem! Tintinnabulation means the ringing or sound of bells. :-)...
mel boring "...While the stars that oversprinkle...
mel boring All the heavens, seem to twinkle,...
mel boring With a crystalline delight;...
mel boring Keeping time, time, time,...
mel boring In a sort of Runic rhyme,...
mel boring To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells...
mel boring From the bells, bells, bells, bells,...
mel boring Bells, bells, bells,...
mel boring From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells."
mel boring From omalizzie:Tintinnabulation: The ringing of bells....
mel boring From jercid: If I remember correctly, tintinnabulation is the sound of bells. Telephones, church bells, etc. Tintinnabulation at weddings, Christmas time, a house full of teenagers(!), etc. We used it in our Freshman Eng II online course last spring. It seems to me it was used in connection with one of the terms we were studying in poetry. I believe it is a form of onomatopoeia and/or auditory imagery.
mel boring From S: the ring a ding dong of bells
mel boring From Tolkienlvr: I was glad you chose "Tintinnabulation" (to ring) as the word of the week last time. It reminds me of Edgar Allen Poe's wonderful poem about the tintinnabulation of the bells X 7. Anyone who hasn't read it -- should. You'll never forget the meaning of the word after it!
mel boring Kathy Butler: The ringing or sounding of bells
mel boring THANK YOU ALL for your great answers, it made TINTINNABULTION in my ears and HEART!
remus Hello Mel! Long time no see :-) I just received the 2005 Book Market Guide and I noticed that in this issue there are a lot of publishers that do "self-, subsidy-, co-venture, or co-op published matieral." Can you explain the difference between these terms and clarify why a legitimite publisher would offer selfpublishing? Thanks a lot!.
mel boring Hi, remus--WELCOME back!...
mel boring The "self-" and "subsidy" mean that YOU pay them the cost of publishing the book, remus....
mel boring "co-venture" and "co-op" mean that YOU pay PART and THEY pay PART....
mel boring Now that these new kinds of publishing are coming into their own,...
mel boring there are LOTS of creative ventures being offered....
mel boring Here's the "bottom line," I think:...
mel boring If YOU pay ANY of the publishing costs, it is NOT a TRADE PUBLISHER....
mel boring It IS a way to become published, but NOT a traditional way....
mel boring When the PUBLISHER pays the WHOLE COST of publishing, that is trade, or traditional publishing....
mel boring Any other method is self-publishing, even if you only pay PART of the cost, remus.
thelpe As you may remember, Mel, I had my cover letter and bib accepted for use in ICL's student manual. I like to keep copies of all my published stuff. How can I get a copy of this?
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, thelpe! YES, I DO remember!...
mel boring What to do is to write and ask them. They will find it among all the prepared materials and return it to you. I did that when they used one of mine a LONG time ago.
ckm Does the Delacorte contest send back mss. as they rejectthe
mel boring I'm not SURE, ckm, but I don't THINK so. They just notify you if you are the winners, or if you're not. But if you find out they DO send back the mss, PLEASE let me know, OK?
writermom Mel I got two solicitations this week for freelance writing opportunities. One is a devotional online ezine for moms called Inspired Moms and the second is a Christian magazine that's main readership is prisoners who want to share the word of God called the Encourager. I already submitted my devotional to Inspired MOms and it will be posted this month
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, writermom!...
mel boring writermom is BOTH editor and writer of GREAT repute!
gladys1 Mel can getting 10B back take longer than usual or wil it be about the same length of time
mel boring HELLO, friend! Yes it WELL can, gladys1!
mel boring It's because it's a...
mel boring BOOK project, the final one, and it can take a LOOOONG time, as I remember from being an instructor.
ccollier Mel, do you still submit to magazines?
mel boring Yes, I do, "semioccasionally," ccollier....
mel boring The problem is that there isn't the time....
mel boring I would LIKE to submit, but right now there isn't time....
mel boring MY idea of being "fully published" would be to publish BOOKS, but ALSO to be published in the likes of HIGHLIGHTS FOR CHILDREN and the CRICKET GROUP, ccollier.
mel boring I WISH I had the time....
mel boring BUT I am also a very S-L-O-W writer, believe me....
mel boring very deliberate, careful, methodical....
mel boring If I could work faster, smarter, I'd be able to publish in magazines as well.
mel boring Here's another good tip about ergonomic keyboards:...
caq Mel, you can buy inexpensive keyboards, but you have to watch out for the "touch" also. If the spring is hard you can damage your finger joints from the keys hitting too hard. YOu have to take that into consideration also.
mel boring DL also wants to know: How much checking does the editor do from Bio? Do we have to supply the material used ourselves or does an editor look everything up too? When interviews are done, is a typewritten report enough for editor? As a new writer I didn't realize that an interview should be taped and I just have short answers to my short questions. Should I include the interview in Bio?
mel boring I THINK DL meant BIBLIO, not BIO, but I'll talk about both....
mel boring First, an editor will check up on any publications listed in your BIO....
mel boring SO they will see what you've published, when and where....
mel boring As for BIBLIO, every editor I've worked with CHECKED MY BIBLIOs over VERY CAREFULLY....
mel boring They want to make sure they publish accurate info,...
mel boring So if you've listed a book in your biblio published in, say, 1923, it better be a "classic" of a book....
mel boring Editors LIKE to see books and magazines from no earlier than FIVE years past in pub date.
mel boring DL also asked: Are there articles on how to and rules for rewriting nursery rhymes into a story?
mel boring NONE that I know of, DL,..
mel boring but nursery rhymes are in the public domain, because they're so old,...
mel boring so you don't have to worry about rewriting or quoting them, friend.
mel boring KM sent this question: How does one make an annotated bibliography? Also a general question about bibliographies: Does
the resources read for research, or only the ones that were actually used to write the article?

mel boring A biblio includes ALL the resources that YOU read and studied for the project, KM....
mel boring ALso, an annotated biblio simply gives a brief description of the source, if needed....
mel boring You might have, for example: Jenkins, Lee. THE SOURCE OF ALL LIFE. Doubleweek, New York, 2004: A list of live plants around the world from which remedies and medications are taken."
mel boring That last 16 words are an annotation. Usually you don't annotate, but SOME circumstances may demand it.
remus Hello Mel, Have you forgotten my question I sent you about an hour ago? It was about the coop and subsidy publishers. Just want to check (:-)
mel boring I THINK I answered it, remus, but check the posting after forum is over. If I inadvertently skipped it, I WILL cover it next week, friend.
lisalisa An editor at Turtle mag has had one of my pieces for a long
lisalisa time. I even sent a status query letter with SASP two
lisalisa months ago. Is there a next step? Do I assume they don't
lisalisa want to use it? That they don't have it? I've gotten pretty
lisalisa quick responses before from the same editor. I've even
lisalisa received things back from other editors in that group since
lisalisa my status check.
mel boring Hi, lisalisa!...
mel boring No, don't assume they don't want to use it....
mel boring First is to find out if they DID receive it...
mel boring You could call their number and the receptionist can probably find out for you....
mel boring EVEN if you've gotten speedy responses before, lisalisa,...
mel boring there could be PRESENT reasons why you haven't,...
mel boring such as the editor is involved in some special project the magazine...
mel boring is doing--as I know that Heather Delabre and Paula Morrow are constantly involved it---...
mel boring but find out FIRST if they got it....
mel boring ANd if they DID, I would take it as a POSITIVE sign that they're really CONSIDERING it, my friend!
mel boring S asked us: I understand reputable agents will not ask for upfront fees, but will they charge you a fee for the time it took to place your manuscript, or a fee if your manuscript is not placed?
mel boring NO, not in ANY case with reputable agents will they charge ANYthing, S....
mel boring with this ONE exception: If they incur postage or phone charges in the course of selling your books, they may charge you for those--minimal.
mel boring S asked, too: When listing your experience for whatever reason, does it look "bad" to publishers if some of your work has been published by print on-demand-publishers even if you didnt pay anything for it to be printed? (and I'm not knocking anyone who has been published by POD publishers because I sure took advantage of the opportunity.)
mel boring It depends on the particular publisher, S....
mel boring My OWN feeling would be that I would NOT mention it,...
mel boring for the chance of telling it to an exceptional editor who might have a prejudice against POD publishing.
mel boring WWW E-mailed to ask: When writing a letter for research information, how much of - if any - do you tell about the book you need the information for. Do you give them a brief overview of the whole story or just the parts pertaining to that research information?
mel boring Give them a brief, ONE-SENTENCE summary, WWW....
mel boring Such as: I am writing a book about people who experimented on their own bodies through history, but only because they had to.
mel boring WWW also would like to ask: Can you use a part of a real historical event for you character to become involved with - e.g. A real organization helping children to get to safety in another country?
mel boring Yes, you can, WWW. If you had a story about building houses for needy people, you could mention Habitat For Humanity, for example.
mel boring History Writer asked this research question: I have a question: I want to write an article about exploring old cemeteries with a focus on the meanings behind the interesting artwork on tombstones of the 19th century. I took pictures in Williamsburg, VA, this summer-can I use those along with the name of the church yard where they're located, or do I need permission? The pictures are mine.
mel boring No permission needed, History Writer....
mel boring They are YOUR pictures; you took them in a PUBLIC place, no people in them (at least not live people (-:}), so they are YOURS to USE!
mel boring RZ has a question: I had a story accepted and was given a publication date of November 23, 2003. I have never received my contributor copies. Is it appropriate to write to the publication and ask if the story was published in that issue? (Fortunately it was a pay on acceptance publication!)
mel boring YES, VERY appropriate, RZ! YOu must be a VERY patient person to have waited so long....
mel boring Write to them and ask. Things like sample copies are usually of LOWEST PRIORITY on a publisher's things to do, so you need to ask. They'll EXPECT you to ask, friend, so go ahead!
mel boring I must go, I'm WAY overtime! It's been SO GOOD...
mel boring to be with you and just talk writing....
mel boring If you asked a question (or sent on in, tolkienlvr), I'll cover it next Tuesday or in the Monday announcement....
mel boring We'll have Karen O'Connor as our Chat Guest this Thursday evening....
mel boring Karen knows how to use your writing time wisely, and take care of family as well,..
mel boring like NO ONE ELSE I know. She is SO GOOD at it. I hope you can come out THursday evening. THANK YOU for being here today!

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