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Tuesday Forum ICL 4/27/04

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Tue Apr 27 15:15:50 2004

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Tue Apr 27 16:17:49 2004



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Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Hi! This is Mel's Tuesday Forum, only today, you're stuck with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, because Mel is out of town.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I've published 3 SF novels, 4 Mysteries, and more than 60 short stories in multiple genres, as well as nonfiction. I'm here to answer any questions you have.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Here's your chance to ask questions about writing for adults, or Long Ridge, or whatever
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.
t green and you are very late!!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Hi, T. Mel told me 1 to 2 pm.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Did I mess up?
mbvoelker Welcome Mary. We were concened that something had happened when you didn't show up at 3 eastern. Then we figured that the time conversion got messed up.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Oh, sorry.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Apprently Mel and I had a miscommunication and it was probably my fault.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I thought he said 1 PM Pacific time, but I probably wrote it down wrong.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Oops.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I apologize.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Too much writing on my plate these days! The RAM is full!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Mel had thought he would forward me some questions ahead of time, but he didn't have time.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor So I'm open to anyting you want to talk about.
diar What do you know about Scholastic?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor It's one of the larger publishers of childrens and YA books.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Including a lot of nonficiton.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I don't know any editors there personally.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I have just branched into YA fiction recently.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor While I can speak to publishing practices generally, most of my personal friendships with editors are in the adult side of the business.
diar Is an agent required for Scholastic?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor They will tell you in their guidelines, diar.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You always MUST look up the writers guidelines before you submit to any publisher.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor They are available free for the price of a SASE from the publisher, and are usually available online or in various writers market books.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor The reason it is critical is that the large houses get LOTS of submissions.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And they will NOT look at a submission that violates thier submission rules.
sk8puss I nkow your name, but can't think what you write?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Sk8, I write a lot of SF and some mystery, as well as the occasional mainstream piece.
mbvoelker I'd like to recommend a book. Eats, Shoots & Leaves -- by Lynne Truss. Its punctuation made funny.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I heard a great review of that book recently, mb.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor It's on my 'buy this' list!
2bornot2b what's the best way to grab a reader's attention in the opening of a story
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor 2born, the best way to grab a reader's attention in the beginning of a story is with a strong hook.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Start with something compelling. An action, a strong dialogue, the image of disaster striking...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor you want to present the reader with something that they just HAVE to read to the end of.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Starting out with a lyrical description of your setting or the weather is really not the way to go about this.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If your reader knows you and is a fan and knows that you'll tell a good story, then the reader will stick with you through that slow start.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Which is why you see slow starts in some fiction by established names. :-)
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But if you are a new writer, the stronger your opening is, the more likely you are to sell your piece.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And that goes for nonfiction, too.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I have a lot of editor friends. Let me tell you how ALL of them read slush.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor (Slush is the pile of unsolicited ms from writers).
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor They start reading. If they are hooked at the end of paragraph 1, they read paragraph 2.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If they are STILL hooked at the end of paragraph 2, they read 3.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If they make it through three, your odds are better than 50/50 that you have sold the story.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I am not kidding. Opening paragraphs matter.
craig how many conflicts should a 1000 to 2000 word story contain. I have 5 in mine. Is that too many
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Well, Craig, every story needs multiple conflicts. I can't really say whether your five is too many or not. That depends on how the story reads.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But even though a short story contains one climax...one high peak of conflict that is resolved to end the story...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor there are always smaller peaks of conflict that happen as we build to that climax.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Now if you mean five paralell plots that seems like a lot for anything shorter than a novel.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But you can include many conflicts in a short story.
sk8puss Are you familiar with Lemony Snicket?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Oh of course. Haven't had a chance to meet the delightful and quirky author yet, but hopefully will run into him one of these days.
diar What is your YA fiction about?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor It's YA Science fiction, diar. Targeting girls.
t green do you know if editors read the "headlines" of each section of non-fiction? would those be enough to "hook" them through an article?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor 1 green, editors are looking for very specific things when they consider a nonfiction article.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If an editor likes your slant and the narrow focus of your topic, and feels that you are the right person to write this article, then that editor...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor has already decided to buy the article. Then he or she will look at the shape of your article -- the outline, the topic headers, or whatever.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If the topic organization doesn't suit, you will either be asked to change the article or you may be rejected after all.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But no, on the average, your editor will have made up his or her mind about buying your NF article before the headers are really considered.
t green how does an editor decide if you are the "right person" to write an article? is that included in your cover letter?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Most of the time, nonfiction editors ask for a query first. But even if you are sending in the entire ms, you need to tell the editor why you are the right person, yes.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Editors want first-hand research, experience, or credentials for the most part.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Readers can do their own internet research. Now I'm talking magazines here, not textbooks! That is a different market.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor So a selling point to the editor for your 'zoo babies' book might be a: You are a zookeeper.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor B: You interviewed a zookeeper and got to spend the day with him/her.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor In one case, you are offering personal credentials. In the other, you are offering an interview/personal experience.
t green i wrote an article on bat "radar" and moth "radar jamming". i have a back ground in the navy working on those specific systems, am i "qualified" enough to write that article?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Sure, as long as you slant the article to include navy radar. And that is a COOL slant!!!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You could do a very nice article that relates the way bats navigate to the radar airplanes are guided by and science teachers everywhere will thank you! Go for it!
paige Hi Mary. Welcome. I would like to use the words "Moose McMuffin" in an article. Would that be acceptable without incurring the wrath of the Big Mc Marketers?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor YOu know, you actually might run into trouble, Paige.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I always keep my ears open for this kind of thing, and just yesterday hear a report that McD's sued a theater group...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor for using parodies of its menu item names.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor It very much depends on their company policy.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If they are only going after negative representations, then they might welcome a positive character in a children's book...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor with a McDonalds name. Free advertizing!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But if they have a blanket 'thou shalt not use' policy, yes your publisher might get a cease and desist letter,.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor This is Mel's Tuesday Forum, only today, you're stuck with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, because Mel is out of town.
craig let me make it clearer for you. Paul saves his teacher in a flood is the climax. They get trapped in the river separated twice by a current. The teavher hurts her hand when falls in her attempt to get to safety and finally Paul drags her to safety. Do I have too many conflicts here
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Sounds good to me,Craig.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor It's not a story you can cover in 500 words, but you could certainly do it in under 3000 and that should put you in the ballpark...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor for childrens magazines...if it comes in closer to 2000.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I would stay in Paul's POV here if I were you. I would resist the temptation to switch into the teacher's.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor The books that my young writing students seem to like the most are the books where the POV is a child their age rather than an adult.
2bornot2b I have a difficult time coming up with a good title, any tips?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Me, too, xborn!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Titles come naturally to some people, but not to me. I wish.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor But they are worthwhile. Remember that your book is on a store shelf with about 30 others...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor or in a magazine with a bunch of other stories.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You want to grab the reader's attention if possible.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor One way to do it is to think about the theme of your story.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor What is it about?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Friendship?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Sticking up for your sibling?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Being responsible?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Then see if you can find something...a phrase or a couple of words...that reflects that theme in some way.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Readers, even kid readers!, enjoy that 'aha' of suddenly figuring out where that enigmatic title came from.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Just don't be TOO obscure!
sk8puss I get my tiltes from a key elemet of the conflict resolution
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor There you go, ska8.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That's the way to do it.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor A lot of YA titles used to be pretty straight foward.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Lost on Bald Mountain.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That seems to be changing.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And don't worry. Your editor will ask you to change it if she or he doens't like it!
2bornot2b When you feel a story brewing, is it a topic you like or one you "think" the audience would like?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor For a story, zborn, it is always something I want to write.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If I'm not having fun, it's not going to be good. If I don't care, it's not going to be good.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor BUT...that said...magazine editors have different tastes.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Once I have my story idea, I decide which magazine it would be best for and then I do intentionally write for that editor and magazine.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Now nonfiction is JUST the opposite, in both adult and YA.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You write very specifically for that magazine for that audience for that editor.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Start with your intended market and THEN craft the article.
t green the titles are changing because all the good ones are taken!!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I don't know, t green. :-) Lost on Bald Mountain doesn't seem like a particularly good one to me!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Ferris Wheel Tango is much more interesting. :-)
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You know, a fun exercise that will really help you as a writer is to simply write a bunch of strong openings.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Once you realize that you don't have to write the rest of the story, you can just let go and enjoy that brief scene.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor See just how strong and brief you can make that opening.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You never know. One of those openings might well inspire a story.
paige An editor asked if I could provide related links with an online article, preferably one with games or crafts. If I find such links, how can I be certain they are kidsafe?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That is difficult, paige.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor We recently had a link to an author's website that had a bad link on it. When the author had originally posted the link..
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor it had been to a Romance website. That domaine name was taken over by a porn site.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor When I told the author about it, he was horrfied.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You need to go to the site and try every link on it.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And, if you really want to be safe, you need to try all the links on the pages that link leads to.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor As you can see, this can become an enormous headache!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I would certainly try all the links on the page your are going to link to directly, make sure no porn sites have assumed once-legit domaine names.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And tell the editor the limits of your checking.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Let the editor decide if that is safe enough or not.
2bornot2b sometimes I have astrong opening then my ending is a dud-then I wonder were I went wrong
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That is SO common, 2b. (Cool name, btw)...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Most of the time the problem actually lies in the beginning.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor The end grows out of the beginning.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And if you get off the track early on, start off on a tangent, then the end you meant to use may no longer fit.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Your may not realize what the central conflict of the story really is.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Sometimes it is not the conflict you think it is.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Try asking yourself what needs to be resolved here.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor What is the problem that needs to be solved?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That answer needs to be part of your ending.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, the Long Ridge Web Editor. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.
t green i started out a novel with an italicized sentence, and had my main char. respond to it...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That's a very good start, t green. :-)
sk8puss you would need to include a disclaime for the links
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you tell the editor the limits of your serach, sk8, he or she will put that into the form that ezine or publication normally uses.
mamalee /ask How do you include sidebar ideas?...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Most editors prefer sidebars on a separate sheet of paper if you are submitting by snail mail. The reason for this is that the sidebar is formatted and laid out separately from your main article.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Depending on the layout, that sidebar may be anywhere on the page. Now if you are submitting to an ezine that will very likely not be the case.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You need to read specific guidelines for online submissions. Some ezines want attached files and ms format.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Others want the piece in the body of an email in wordpad.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor There is a lot of variation there.
mamalee /ask from mamalee do you suggest them or wirte them out?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you are writing a query, mamalee, you suggest them. If you are sending in the whole ms, you include the sidebar and call the editor's attention to it...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor in the cover letter that accompanies the ms.
bobbiejo Is there a resource that is available to those of us new to the writing world who would like to not duplicate a title? I mean, shouldn't there be a database so we don't duplicate?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor bobbie, titles aren't copyrighted.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You can use any title you want, although I wouldn't use something that is VERY familiar, like Gone With The Wind.
t green is that a decent opening? enough to catch a young reader to want to know what the italics were? and why my mc is talking to "it"?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Taht totally depends on what that italicized opening is, t green! If it is something that instantly grabs the reader "I am an alien'. "My brother is a wolf". then it can be a fine opening.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If it is "I like brusselsprouts" or "School is really nice," then I have my doubts, to be honest...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Remember in fiction, it is not the FORM that matters, it is the content.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor You can break every 'rule' there is about writing fiction and have a blockbuster best seller that really grabs readers.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor The only REAL rule in fiction is 'the story must work'.
t green how about "It's almost time, Flair!"
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor That could work quite well if we go on to do something exciting and interesting as Flair answers.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Here is one of those many placles where you ask yourself...what will excite my reader? What will hold her attention?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Think about that kid. What will interest him or her?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor What is cool?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor What will hold his or her attention?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Always worry about content first in fiction.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you've ever read to kids, you've noticed how some books hold your kids' attention all the way through, while other books...
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor have your child hopping off the sofa after four pages.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Pay attention to that. Why is this book better than that book?
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If you have a child reader in your family, ask his or her opinion and then listen to what that child says.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And don't forget that kids are curious.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor There is so much that we take for granted that is new and wonderful out there.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Make use of that curiosity.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Well, we're about at the end of our hour.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor And unlike my LR Forums, I'll have to cut this off at a 'real' hour as opposed to my usual 'Oregon hours'.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Any last questions?
2bornot2b thanks Mary, you've been a real help ;)
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor I'm glad I could help, 2b. And thank you all for coming.
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor If Mel has to ask me again, I'll be sure to get my clock straight next time!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor See you all!
Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor Have a good week!

 

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