Writer's Support Room - Open Forum Transcripts

Event start time: Tue Nov 18 14:03:13 2003
Event end time: Tue Nov 18 15:19:06 2003


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mel boring Join us this afternoon in the AUDITORIUM-Scheduled Events Room for an "Open Forum" with Web Editor Mel Boring. Mel has published some 25 magazine articles and stories, as well as eight books for the young readers market. He taught writing for 18 years, while being home husband and parent to two of his four children, and doing his own writing. He welcomes your questions on time management, getting started, writer's block, marketing, writing rights, writing earnings, or anything else you'd like to discuss. Bring your QUESTIONS to this open forum.
mel boring The Tuesday afternoon "Open Forum" will begin promptly at 4 Atlantic/CANADA, 3 p.m. Eastern, 2 p.m. Central, 1 p.m. Mountain, and noon Pacific. While you wait for the "Open Forum" to start, feel free to use your ASK A QUESTION button RIGHT BETWEEN THE YELLOW "MAP" AND THE RED QUESTION MARK IN ICHAT to post some questions for the discussion group.
mel boring Good afternoon! Welcome to this Tuesday afternoon's "Open Forum" session. I'm your moderator, Mel Boring, and the Web Editor for this site. We're back for an informal time of answering any questions you might like to ask, on any subject. So feel free to ask what's on your mind--and I'll tell you what's on mine! First, please read these announcements, then we'll get started.
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mel boring Hello, Chatsters! I've just returned from taking my wife out for her birthday (it's tomorrow) dinner...
mel boring and I'm rarin' to go with questions!...
mel boring First of all, I have these two follow-ups to questions from last week:...
mel boring GDG: Here's my comment to the question about ICL instructors from last week: I had one ICL instructor and she urged me to start sending mss when I had reached my fourth assignment; she also recommended me for the advanced
basic course. I guess it's subjective. But perhaps some "students" have stronger writing skills from the beginning of the course and some develop them with more help from the wonderfully helpful instructors at ICL. The course is useful in helping us decide whether we are indeed cut out for writing. It is not always the case, and we (ICL students) should approach it without illusory hopes, but realistically
mel boring From izzy: I just finished reading the open forum chat notes from 11/11 and noted that a student asked for information on the book course. Well, I'm enrolled in this book course and I just want to share. I'm on assignment 2. It is very very very very hard, at least for me. But I am learning about synopsis, character development, structure, theme, plot, and a hole bunch of stuff...and it's only assignment 2. I have a deadline and a whole lot of reading and a bunch of things on my plate that I must do in order to keep this deadline. And I managed to complete two freelance assignments at the same time and take a nap. The important thing is that I am learning. My instructor, Rita Ritchie, gave me some excellent advice in her letter to me from Assignment 1. She hit on things I didn't realize about myself and my work habits, and I was glad that I was so honest in my bio.

fiction YA novel. It is hard work. I am nervous and scared and I worry that what I am doing will not work. I have no way of knowing if it will as I have never ever done anything like this before in my life. And I am a slow learner who must read and re-read the same instructions again and again and again. Sometimes 4 times before it sinks into my brain. But the important part is that I am learning. And I truly believe that if I stick with it and if I eat my elephant one bite at a time, I will master this recipe on how to write a book and remember it for the next one and the one after that and the one after that and that and that.

to be taken lightly and it is not for everyone. Only a writer, with the help and encouragement of her teacher, can decide. But I am glad I took the plunge and will take it one day at a time
mel boring We also have this CELEBRATIONAL item from Patricia Weaver:...
mel boring From Patricia Weaver: Doing a dance around the house. Went to the mailbox and there was a contract from Abbey Press for the Friendship Doll idea and verse I proposed over two years ago. I had no idea they had accepted it. I had given them permission to hold it and to tell the truth I was about to pull it back. Yea, yea, yea!
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Patricia--and MANY HAPPY RETURNS!...
mel boring I also know that one of our chatsters (whose initials are MBV (-:}) received some very good news this past week, and perhaps she will share that with us via a message later....
mollymeg And a celebration from Molly Caldwell - and hon. mention
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS on that honorable mention, Molly Caldwell!!! THANKS for sharing that with us!
izzy Happy Birthday, Mrs. Boring!
mel boring THANK YOU, izzy, I'll pass that on to Carol!
grandy1983 Hi, Mel! Is it alright to use real places, cities, street...
grandy1983 ....names in a story? I want my story to be authentic by....
grandy1983 ....using real places and town names.
mel boring You can certainly use real cities and town names, grandy1983...
mel boring as long as you don't put specific street ADDRESSES or NAMES at an address in it....
mel boring By ALL means, it DOES make a story or book authentic to mention real places....
mel boring Check out novels that do; it gives them a strong "sense of place," which is important in fiction.
remus Hello Mel. I haven't been in the chatroom for a while. I hope I didn't miss too much (:-) I was wondering about writing book series. When you have planned a serie of books and a publisher is interested in this series, after having read the first book, how detailed does the summary for the other books has to be? Would the publisher request a summary for all the other books at once? What if you haven't even plotted them out yet?
mel boring WELCOME BACK, remus, I've missed you!...
mel boring First of all, it's best to let the idea for a SERIES come from the editor/publisher....
mel boring The idea is to write a STRONG first book, then either the editor will suggest a series based on the selling strength of the first book,...
mel boring or YOU can suggest the series then....
mel boring And the summaries for the successive books of the series does not have to be as detailed....
mel boring The idea then is that the editor KNOW what the book will be like, having published the first of the series....
mel boring Then you would distinguish each new volume of the series in your summary, tell how it will be the same, yet distinctive. And yes, the editor MIGHT want a summary of all the books....
mel boring But if you tell the editor they aren't all mapped out yet, s/he will understand, and it's not a problem, remus.
mel boring Here's the report on MB's GOOD news:...
mbvoelker Thank you, Mel. My good news was a rejection from Realms of Fantasy. It included a handwritten note complimenting my style and my world and asking, "Perhaps a different story in the same setting?" It happened that the story I withdrew from Black Gate fit the bill so I put that in the mailbox yesterday marked "requested submission."
mel boring CONGRATULATIONS, Mary Beth--that's a GIANT step toward publication!
mel boring CC wonders: When I send material to editors and it is rejected, I noticed that they send
not the cover letter. Do they throw them away or file them for reference if the writer submits more material, especially if they may have had an interest in the material, but were just not able to use it at the time
mel boring CC, editors DON'T throw away the cover letters....
mel boring They FILE them, as they would any correspondence....
mel boring And they can refer back to those cover letters if a writer says they submitted once at such and such a date....
mel boring That's also why they don't return the cover letter to you, but file it so they have a record of your submission, even if they reject it. THANKS for asking--GOOD question!
mel boring mollymeg, could you share with us more information about your honorable mention, please? Send it to me and I'll share it with all.
katiebug I was wondering why some magazines ask for your social
katiebug security numbers on submissions
mel boring GOOD question, too, katiebug! And there is another similar question pre-submitted that I'll share shortly....
mel boring They ask for your Social Security number so they can be ready with it if they buy the piece you submitted....
mel boring That is, they can just zip it off to the payroll department without going back and asking you for it, delaying things. But here's another related question, katiebug:...
mel boring KM is asking: Why do some magazines want our social security number on our submissions? I feel a little uncomfortable doing that, but if there is a good reason, maybe you could tell me.
mel boring They want your SS# to speed up payment operations, as I mentioned....
mel boring BUT you don't have to put it on your manuscript--and in fact I would recommend that you DON'T put it on your ms....
mel boring Just be ready to ship your SS# off to them when they accept your manuscript. That'll be in PLENTY of time for payment....
mel boring And you might want to PHONE your SS# in to them so it doesn't have to go through e-mail, or even snailmail.
remus When writing numbers, at what point would you not spell them out anymore? You would write "twenty-five" ? But would you write "two hundred and twenty-five" or would you use the numbers in this case? What is the cut-off number?
mel boring Here are the details about mollymeg's MARVELOUS HONORABLE MENTION:...
mollymeg My picture book text To the dance hall, Y'all! got 15th
mollymeg place in the 72nd annual WD contest in the children's fict
mollymeg in the children's fiction category
mel boring That IS marvelous news, mollymeg--CONGRATULATIONS times a zillion!
mel boring dawgprint1 wants to know: In Young Adult fiction is it possible to write books the kids will read without putting in all that trash? Will a mild word content sell?
mel boring YES, it IS possible, and most often PREFERRED, dawgprint1....
mel boring You will find VERY FEW trash words in the YA fiction from most publishing houses....
mel boring First of all, they know that many adults will censor trash, and they'd rather not fight that battle....
mel boring But MOST of all, I think publishers realize NON-trash is in just plain good taste....
mel boring Read some of the YA fiction, such as Gary Paulsen's, and you'll find it nearly trashless....
mel boring Also, read other novels from mainstream publishing houses, and you'll find they're pretty clean, dawgprint1--so WRITE ON!
mel boring LW asks: I participated in the forum on Thursday. Heather Delabre said she prefers to receive cover letters if for no other reason than for her to get a better idea of who you are. She doesn't want a summary of your manuscript. She likes a list of pieces previously published elsewhere. She also says she looks for typos mostly. Question: I haven't been published. Would it make sense to even send a cover letter to her?
a cover letter with a summary of the manuscript with a copy of the manuscript? I just don't know what I can say if I don't summarize my manuscripts in a cover letter since I've never been published
mel boring By the way, folks, my question window seems to be down. I'll get it back up soon as I can. This is a pre-submitted question....
mel boring LW, a cover letter, even for Heather Delabre, shouldn't contain a summary of your manuscript....
mel boring It SHOULD contain a "teaser" for your manuscript....
mel boring That's not a summary, but telling a little bit that will entice the editor--and ultimately young readers--into reading the book....
mel boring Think of what you write in a cover letter about your book as being copy on the dust jacket....
mel boring The copy there is to lure readers in, by telling them enough to get them in, but certainly not a summary of the whole manuscript....
mel boring So YES, ALWAYS send a cover letter to every editor. And Heather and other editors DO get to know you that way....
mel boring They will see your writing style, for one thing. AND I've never heard a comment like the one Heather made about typos, but it makes GOOD SENSE....
mel boring If there are no typos, an editor knows you HAVE done all your homework in rewriting!
mel boring P.S., LW: DON'T worry about listing credits if you have none. Editors simply don't expect credits. So, nothing published, nothing said. LET an editor THINK you've been published! (-:}
mel boring Folks, my question screen still isn't working, so I'm going to duck out for a second--I'll BE RIGHT BACK!
mel boring I'm back!...
mel boring and my question window is back--THANKS for waiting!...
rite 1 Are the B and the O capitalized in Baltimore Oriole?
mel boring The "B" IS capitalized, rite 1, but NOT the "o" in oriole....
mel boring It's because Baltimore is a PROPER NOUN, but oriole is just "any old oriole." (-:}
mollymeg What do you do when another writer "borrows" your idea?
mel boring BEST way to guard against that, mollymeg, which doesn't happen very often...
mel boring is to put the "c" in a circle for "copyright," followed by your name and the year...
mel boring in the UPPER RIGHT corner of page 1 of each manuscript....
mel boring THEN, when you finish the manuscript, MAIL a copy to yourself....
mel boring And DON'T OPEN IT when it arrives....
mel boring The postmark will establish the date....
mel boring and if it ever comes to needing proof, someone else can open the envelop and see it.
remus What about using names of famous toon characters. For exampled: Could I say, "He walked like Donald Duck" or would I get into trouble from Disney for using Donald Duck?
mel boring Yes you could get in trouble with Disney, remus, because...
mel boring they have a FULL-TIME cadre of lawyers who do NOTHING but track trademark violations. So don't do it, and you don't really need to, I think....
mel boring I would just say "He walked like a duck"--and that would be close enough....
mel boring Remember, you can give the names of real-life towns and cities--they are not copyrighted or trademarked....
mel boring But things like Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are trademarked, registered and protected from copying.
mel boring I want to give you something I promised the person last week who asked about learning cartooning....
mel boring It's the name and address of the CORRESPONDENCE art school where Charles Schultz studied....
mel boring The address is:...
mel boring Art Instruction Schools
mel boring 3309 Broadway Street NE
mel boring Minneapolis MN 55413
mel boring Their Web address is:...
mel boring www.artists-ais.com
mel boring They send you a talent test to draw something, then you send it in,...
mel boring and they send you info about their courses, some in cartooning.
rite 1 Sentence: With that, they broke out into roaring laughter.
rite 1 Is that a good sentence? Punctuation ok?
mel boring YES, rite 1, it IS a good sentence, and the punctuation is OK!
mel boring It is a complete sentence because it has a subject AND a verb.
lizr What is the 'heirarchy' of editors in publishing? is an associate editor like a beginner - they haven't yet edited a book - so they are usually 'first readers' and actually read the 'slush pile' or does an assistant editor do that primarily?
mel boring GOOD QUESTION, lizr!...
mel boring It is an ASSISTANT EDITOR who is a "beginner."...
mel boring The title ASSOCIATE EDITOR usually designates one of two or more editors who are essentially equals, though they may have differing responsibilities....
mel boring But ASSISTANT EDITORS are a step WAY up from FIRST READERS, lizr....
mel boring The first readers are likely to be recent college graduates taking on the "slush pile."...
mel boring An Assistant Editor works under a person usually called a Senior Editor,...
mel boring and the Assistant Editor does about everything a senior editor does, except for decision making....
mel boring In many publishing houses, there is someone ABOVE ALL the editors, and that person is called the PUBLISHER, a title...
mel boring And a PUBLISHER is the TOP of the hierarchy, except for the owners of the publishing house, of course.
mel boring LBA wants to know: How do I indicate an interviewee in the bibliography of sources? I have 2 e-mail interviews that I want to
bibliographic sources. Can you please let me know how to do this?

company, e-mail address, street address, phone no., fax
sure what to include as info and how to set it up to

mel boring Here is how an entry for an E-MAIL interview would be given, LBA:...
mel boring Smith, Dr. George, Curator of Smithsonian Institution Museum of Natural Science, E-Mail Interview, September 27-29, 2003.
mel boring You begin with the person's name--last name first, and alphabetized in the Bibliography....
mel boring Then you give their position, the fact that it was via e-mail, and the date(s) of the e-mail(s)....
mel boring Here is how you would list an Internet Web site, from an ACTUAL bibliography:...
mel boring http://www.westegg.com/einstein/ Lists MANY Einstein biographies, plus articles about him. About 100 links to various sites such as Princeton, NJ, plus scientific information.
mel boring It gives the URL, then something about it....
mel boring If you interview IN PERSON, it would look like this:...
mel boring Jones, Helen, Private Investigator, Interview in her office, November 5, 2003.
mel boring Of course, you would have references to the data you received in the interview in the body of your article or book.
mel boring Here's a chuckle from izzy:...
izzy my personal opinion is that it is dangerous to volunteer my
izzy ss
izzy you can tell I'm from NY
mel boring WhereEVER you're from, izzy, it's not a good idea to volunteer your Social Security number. Better to PHONE it in.
t green since you submit ms's with your e-mail, why don't editors
t green just e-mail you with the social security no. question?
t green or phone you?
mel boring They WILL e-mail you or phone you when the sale of your work comes about, t green,...
mel boring and it's best to wait till then. But DON'T send it via e-mail. Ask WHAT NUMBER you can phone it on on!
remus Mel, I was wondering what to do with a rejection I got from Highlights. Ms. Robinson wrote me personally and said that the topic is very good and the affection of the characters is appealing but the end doesn't really make sense. She also explained why and stated "Please try us again." Does that mean I should rewrite the story and resubmit it or should I send them a new story?
dolly Hi Mel, I have good news.. my book Pasquale's Journey
dolly is now posted at iUniverse
mel boring SORRY, got two things at once there!....
mel boring I will get to remus' question,...
mel boring but I want to say CONGRATULATIONS to you dolly!!!
mel boring remus, about your rejection from HIGHLIGHTS,...
mel boring Yes, DO REWRITE the same story and fix the ending!...
mel boring That's a very cautious "come again" from Marileta....
mel boring So get that SAME story back to her right away with a fixed ending!
mbvoelker I'd like to comment on the SS# issue. Your SS# is the key to your identity. DH is a salesman for a debt collection company and you wouldn't believe what people can do and can find out if they have that number. IMO you can't be too careful and can put the SS# on the contract, not the manuscript. :-)
mel boring EVEN at the grocery store, if your SS# is on your driver's license, keep that number concealed. SS# fraud can happen ANYwhere! THANKS, mbvoelker--yes, we should wait for the CONTRACT. They don't need your SS# until THEN.
noodle I'm new to writing and already two stories that I've read to
noodle my critics (my kiddos) have been done before. I understand
noodle there are only so many stories, but I can't help but want to
noodle quit the story I'm writing. Comments, please? Thanks, Mel
mel boring I would follow your OWN judgment and quit the story, noodle....
mel boring Because if you know they've been "done before," editors will feel the same way. So quit the story you're writing and do a FRESH story!
mel boring SC sent this question: A few weeks ago mbvoelker made a suggestion that we do a Google search on our own name. I did, and was surprised to find a poem of mine on two websites that had not purchased any rights to publish it, nor had I given them permission to use it. On both sites my name appears on the poem. What would be the best way to approach this matter? Can I request payment (or at least an honorarium)?
mel boring The FIRST thing to do is contact them, SC, and...
mel boring ask then HOW and WHY they came to using YOUR poem without getting your permission....
mel boring Then you can go from there. If they say, oh, we're sorry, then you can ask them to ante up whatever rate they pay any writer....
mel boring If they DON'T answer at all--and this is more than possible--you may have to go further, by, say, contacting a lawyer if you want to go in that deep. But first contact them, and give them a chance.
mel boring thesnail has asked: I sent my first manuscript to a magazine and the assistant editor sent it back along with a note stating that she would read it again if I would rewrite it as straight non-fiction (the first version was written with fictional characters and surroundings). I rewrote it and received a postcard from the assistant editor saying she gave it to the senior editor of history and world culture to screen (I thought at this point it made the first cut, and was sent to the senior editor to check the facts). I eventually received the manuscript back from the senior editor with a note for me to review back issues for style, direction and tone. I did review past issues prior to submitting, and paid special attention to the style and tone. Why didn't the assistant editor reject it first if the tone and style was not right for the magazine? Please give me your opinion of the situation.
mel boring Because the ASSISTANT Editor would not be as concerned about style and tone as the Senior Editor, thesnail....
mel boring That is the AE knows about it, and was made aware by you that you attended to it. But the Senior Editor takes over then, and it's often like dealing with a whole new publishing house. Don't let it stop you, just tell the Senior Editor about your attendance to matters of tone and style. And let us know when it's published, will you?
mel boring joyfulsunrise asked us: How does a writer handle accents, such as an Australian accent, when the fact is crucial to the story, but indecipherable in print?
mel boring Very LIGHTLY, joyfulsunrise, not as heavily as you think....
mel boring For instance, just something like, "What do you think of that, mate?" can give the Australian flavor, and still be readable by every English-reading child....
mel boring And a few clipped words, but not many. JUST GIVE A FLAVOR, like salt, sparingly, and you'll come out jolly well!
mel boring Pnkn294 sent this question: On August 10, 2003, I sent a nonfiction piece, complete with a bibliography, and directions for a party and craft to go along with it, to KID ZONE. Checking back on everything, as far as I can tell, I did everything correctly. They state that they will respond within one month, but it has now been three and a half months. Should I contact them and try to find out the status of my work, or just blow it off? Can this be done by e-mail, or would snail-mail be best?

mel boring DON'T "blow it off," Pnkn294, DO follow it up NOW. If they dealt with you by e-mail, e-mail them....
mel boring If you worked with them by snailmail, then snailmail them--but do it right away!
mel boring Betsy would like to know: I received info about the ICL book writing course, but when I called to find out what percentage of people who took the course actually sold a book, they had no information. How can I tell whether any course is worth the money?
mel boring How many students published books is a statistic not kept by ICL, Betsy....
mel boring It would take a lot of time to track that. And I know from teaching the book course that some of my students published,...
mel boring who NEVER told me, but I just ran across their books by accident....
mel boring I suspect that if you asked any correspondence school, like perhaps the WRITER'S DIGEST school, they would answer the same way, that they don't keep track of that number....
mel boring The BEST way to find out if the ICL course is worth it is to take it ON THEIR MONEY-BACK GUARANTEE,...
mel boring which I KNOW they stand behind. THey will refund all or part of your payment, depending on how much of the course you take. They are very GOOD about that
mel boring LDD wants to know: When writing an historical Young Adult book is it okay to have a two-sentence prologue? Or must I write it as a short chapter? It is important for me to lead my reader to an historical event in a different land.
mel boring YES, just a two-sentence prologue would be a prologue and not a chapter, LDD....
mel boring Any prologue should be SHORT, is the rule of the day, and two sentences would be short, indeed!
mel boring ajay wrote to ask: In Children's stories, what are the rules re titles of songs and names of items such as he set his "Big Ben" alarm clock, and the radio played "The Star Spangled Banner." Should quotation marks be used? Italics? Is this used differently in children's books and adult stories?
mel boring As for songs, ajay, you CAN use them, and in quotes....
mel boring But for any product, like Big Ben Clocks, you need to write the manufacturer and check with them. THey PROBABLY will let you mention it, but they MIGHT not.
mel boring Catherine e-mailed this question: I submitted a picture book manuscript to some book publishers about a month ago and included a SASP to acknowledge receipt. I received some back, but how long should I wait for the others before I contact them to see if my manuscript was received?
mel boring IF you QUERIED those publishers, and DIDN'T send the entire manuscript, you don't have to wait at all, just go on querying to others....
mel boring If you SUBMITTED the manuscript instead of just querying, then do contact them and ask about the status of your manuscript.
mel boring GOODNESS, look at me, I've gone overtime, way overtime! I must quit now. THANK YOU for being here! See you next Tuesday at the next Open Forum!

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